This post should be copied and framed by everyone coming to this sight. One of the best posts EVER. Terry, your gift for words needs a wider audience.
Black Man
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FOR THE CRITIC OF S0-CALLED APOSTATE SITES.........
by Terry infor the critic of so-called apostate sites i offer the following.
the taste of bitter fruit.
the watchtower bible and tract society is a publishing company with a purpose.
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JWs who were actually cool
by Black Man inwe always talk about the crazy j-dub fundy types, but i knew some cool jws (co, do, bethelites, pio) during my time.
this is kind of a "where are they now" post along with acknowledginig some jws who were cool and down-to-earth.
as with most "cool" and good people in the borg, most of them are either not jws anymore (burned out) or are not "serving" in responsible positions (funny how that works, isn't it).
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Black Man
I seem to vaguely remember the Gillis'. They were a nice couple..........
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Films/movies that resonate with Apostates
by Black Man inthere are a few films that i really connect with that sum up my j-dub experiences........ .
shawshank redemption: if you've ever "served time" at bethel, you can't help but connect with this film.
institutionalization, mental persecution and "andy dufrene crossing through 500 yards of shit, came out clean on the other side.
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Black Man
Yeah, i can't believe I forgot about 1984.......that one's a keeper.
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Films/movies that resonate with Apostates
by Black Man inthere are a few films that i really connect with that sum up my j-dub experiences........ .
shawshank redemption: if you've ever "served time" at bethel, you can't help but connect with this film.
institutionalization, mental persecution and "andy dufrene crossing through 500 yards of shit, came out clean on the other side.
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Black Man
Shawshank Redemption: If you've ever "served time" at Bethel, you can't help but connect with this film. Institutionalization, mental persecution and "Andy Dufrene crossing through 500 yards of shit, came out clean on the other side. Classic, classic movie.
The Matrix (First one): Who couldn't relate to the choice that all of us as J-dubs at some point had to ponder: do I take the red pill or the blue pill (should I stay or should I go)?
Good Will Hunting: I connected with this one on the basis of me deciding whether I should attempt to reach my potential or wallow in the bureaucratic muck and waste the best years of my life. I'm Will headed out to California in search of a girl..........
Those are some of mine. What movies do you connect with that kind of capture the quandry of your J-dub years/experience?
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JWs who were actually cool
by Black Man inwe always talk about the crazy j-dub fundy types, but i knew some cool jws (co, do, bethelites, pio) during my time.
this is kind of a "where are they now" post along with acknowledginig some jws who were cool and down-to-earth.
as with most "cool" and good people in the borg, most of them are either not jws anymore (burned out) or are not "serving" in responsible positions (funny how that works, isn't it).
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We always talk about the crazy J-dub fundy types, but I knew some cool JWs (co, do, bethelites, pio) during my time. This is kind of a "where are they now" post along with acknowledginig some JWs who were cool and down-to-earth. As with most "cool" and good people in the BORG, most of them are either not JWs anymore (burned out) or are not "serving" in responsible positions (funny how that works, isn't it). Anyway, my list is:Daniel Silva: DO who served in the Michigan area in the early 80s. Forward-thinking DO who actually knew Greek. Would make a great poster here on JWD. Gave some of most thought-provoking talks and treated people with dignity. Heard he left the DO work and barely attends meetings.
R.L. Jones: CO who served in Chicago, D.C., Michigan areas. Still in the work as far as I know. One "cool" cat. The first CO I ever saw to wear Armani suits. Always looked to pick you up and make you feel good about whatever effort you were putting forth. Once said that he could have been a DO had he kissed more "butt," but he couldn't stand to do that and a CO he continued to be.
Lyron Andrews: African American Bethelite who was somewhat prominent when he was there. Just a down-to-earth brother who always tried to uplift and encourage you when he sensed you were down. I recall him working with the Executive Office. Really injected a sense of humanity into the de-humanizing bethel experience. He eventually left the house and served in a NYC hall, before DA-ing himself.
Lenore Brown: DO who served all over - California, Michigan, Georgia. Really was attentive to youth. The first DO I observed to play pick-up basketball games with the brothers. Was comparitively young as a DO. Eventually got D-fed and settled into selling real estate in Georgia. Feel free to add on to this. It could be ANY JW you knew when you were trapped in the Matrix. I'll come back to this later...........
Frank DeMatteis: Long-serving bethelite elder who always had a kind word to say or a funny joke to tell to break up the monotony and the mood. Served at the farm and ended up getting d-fed. Heard he recently came back in.
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Hot News-New GB members
by truthsetsonefree inhey ya'll, t was announced this morning at the breakfast table that there are two new members of the governing body.
they were formerly "helpers" or "given ones.
" anthony morris raised a family and then went into the traveling work.
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Black Man
ahhhh, Gene Smalley. Yes, I recall that self-righteous prick very well. He was the head librarian of the Writing Dept. when I was at the house and had a smug, albeit sheltered way about himself.
As for the 'Nethinim', it was my understanding that they include members of both the anointed and other-sheep who assist the FDS/GB with various matters. The anointed from that group often being looked at first as replacements to GB members who die off.
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At 5$ a gallon for gas, will you modify your driving habits?
by JH inhttp://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-gas17.html
5 bucks a gallon for gas?
expert sees it in 2006 .
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Black Man
Whatever happened to the electric car? If gas hit $5 a gallon, I'd start to seriously protest something..........
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Dogma - The Movie (Directed by Kevin Smith)
by Black Man inhey y'all,.
i recently got this film on dvd and it is so on-point with its cynical look at religion and belief systems.
i laughed 'till i cried.
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Hey y'all,
I recently got this film on DVD and it is so on-point with its cynical look at religion and belief systems. I laughed 'till I cried. Anyone else caught this movie? What did you think?
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Are Bethelites more likely to leave the JWs than others?
by Gill inhave you any experience of families whose sons have gone off to bethel and then decided to not have any more contact with their family and jws at all very soon after returning?.
i ask this question because i know of two families where this has been the case.. the first family had three sons who one after the other went to the london bether to 'serve' within a couple of years of eachother.. after three years there all three returned home completely different people.
they then left home, left dub land, two married non jws and another lives with his girlfriend.
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Black Man
As a former bethelite, the experience is a jaded one and it does accelerate your seeing the flaws in the borg and wanting to get out. It was like dorothy, when she peered behind the curtain and found that there is no wizard............
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On The Art Of Fading
by expatbrit inin october of 2000, i faded away from the watchtower.
like most people, i have family and friends who are jw's (including my wife and parents).
fading is generally the best method for people in that situation.
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Black Man
classic, classic post..........